Monday, February 06, 2006
Chapter 291 - Orochimaru's Choices
Originally Posted by Chiru:
I don't think he'd want to wait another three years for his precious UchihaI also don't think he'll give up on Sasuke quite yet considering the work he has put into making him the perfect vessel. You don't give up the ability to copy Jutsu's when thats what you crave just so you can control Bijuu and wood. I do believe he would use Yamato as a replacement for Sasuke if Sasuke somehow wasn't available to take (for example, in case Naruto actually succeeds, or Sasuke decides he's learned enough to go after Itachi and he'd rather do that now than become perminantly held back by Orochimaru when he learns of Oro's true plans). Orochimaru is the only other person there (not including Yamato himself) who knows what the Shodai was capable of and knows thus, what Yamato is capable of as well. He could be prompting this Naruto meltdown solely to force Yamato to take care of it and maybe in the meantime, gauge Naruto's strength and make a sneak kidnapping attack while they're both preoccupied.
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Firstly, If Orochimaru is injured so much that he can't just whip out another skin, he'll just have to suffer cuz he still can't transfer to Sasuke or another body for another 6 months. I think Orochimaru will be saved from the greatest harm solely because Naruto is no longer mentally in control and therefore he's just going to try to destroy everything, not just aim the attacks at Orochimaru. I am not saying 4-tail Naruto > Orochimaru - just that Orochimaru won't get the full brunt of the attack so we really won't know who's stronger.
Chapter 296 Update:
Originally Posted by Odlam:
__________________________________________________________________Well from recent discussions, I think the Curse seal level two must be a
mandatory step in properly preparing a host for Orochimaru's spirit. Im gonna
discuss this below, but if anyone reps anyone for this, toss it to Marsala and
Ifurita's fan (others may have considered this common sense or suspected it
anyways) but I found it to be a novel idea.Originally posted by Marsala:
Orochimaru did want to take the immature Sasuke at the end of Part 1, but it's probably better for Sasuke to be older and more powerful. I wonder if curse seal level 2 prepares the body to handle Orochimaru's power?That is a very very VERY good point. Sasuke basically had to "die" in order to prepare his body to handle the power of the CS2 it was so traumatic for the body.
And the curse seal provides an enormous chakra reserve boost. So perhaps a vessel that has been treated with the CS2 in advance would be capable of handling Orochimaru's spirit to a much higher degree.
Most importantly though, this also solves another MAJOR problem I've had with the rescue Sasuke arc for a long long time.If the sound 4 were supposed to be in such a hellish hurry to get Sasuke to Orochimaru in time, why in the world would they stop to give him the CS2 treatment? Why slow themselves down that much when Oro was just going to take Sasuke over the second he got to the hide out, and never even bother to use the CS2 in a fight? For that matter, why treat people like Kimmie and Sasuke with the curse seal at all, if its only a 1 in 10 survival rate, and then risk them a second time over with the advancement to CS2?
Originally posted by Ifurita's fan:Now, that said. Oro has no body anymore... but he does have experience and training. So Oro himself is the spiritual side of the Chakra equation used here. However... The body forms the other half of the equation... it provides the "body energy" that has to be combined with the spiritual power. Unfortunate... Oro clearly has more Spiritual energy than physical capacity to equal it. So while Oro himself would be willing to go on... his body is not. Or more accurately ... The spirit is willing... but the flesh is weak.
The CS2 must be a necessary step in preparing a host body to handle Orochimaru's power. A body that can withstand the effects of the CS2, would be used to handling enormous amounts of chakra, specifically the physical chakra that Ifurita's fan as mentioned, to balance out Orochimaru's abundance of spiritual chakra.In short, its sort of like training for the real thing. If the body can withstand the pressure thats placed on it by the Curse Seal 2, than the body has already been taught to withstand the strain that Orochimaru's spiritual pressence would place on it. Hence, the vessel will be able to cope with Orochimaru to a much higher degree once he decides to
inhabit the vessel.
Sasuke is not loyal to Orochimaru. I don't think Sasuke and Kabuto will ever grow close - Why would they? Kabuto more likely sees Sasuke as a dangerous rival than as a companion. And Sasuke sacrified his dreams and friendships, abandoned all bonds so he could become solely an object of revenge - why then would he form new bonds? (Its unlikely he'd create a friendship just so he could kill for Mangekyou Sharingan - I don't think it would work with that purpose in mind anyway, especially cuz deep down Naruto is probably still his best friend) Sasuke is there for one purpose and he is only willing to battle for Orochimaru in exchange for power. He is not actually loyal to Orochimaru - Sasuke doesn't think like or trust Orochimaru or Kabuto. I don't think 2.5 years will make him amiable with his new allies anymore than he was before the timeskip.
Sasuke was informed by Naruto what Orochimaru wanted and he didn't care. If merging with Orochimaru gives him the power to defeat Itachi, he'd beg for the powerup. I don't think he'd ever do any of this out of loyalty but Sasuke will go to extreme measures now for his revenge. The interesting thing will be if when orochimaru retains some of the mental desire of each body he inhabits (as has been implied) I wonder if inner Sasuke will allow Orochimaru to destroy Konoha or hurt his former Teammates? It will be a really interesting twist of events if by taking over Sasuke, Orochimaru actually has prevented himself from actually obtaining his plans ...
